Klimawandel, Bodenschätze, Tourismus, Geopolitik: Darum interessiert Deutschland sich für die Arktis
Das deutsche Arktisbüro des Alfred-Wegener-Instituts vermittelt seit fünf Jahren zwischen Forschung und Politik. Im Interview erzählt dessen Leiter Volker Rachold von aktuellen Entwicklungen.
Seit fünf Jahren betreibt das Alfred-Wegener-Institut (AWI), Helmholtz-Zentrum für Polar- und Meeresforschung, in Potsdam das Deutsche Arktisbüro, um wissenschaftliche Erkenntnisse in die Politik zu tragen und Fragestellungen aus der Politik in der Forschung aufzugreifen. Riffreporter Björn Lohmann sprach mit Dr. Volker Rachold, dem Leiter des Arktisbüros, über die Folgen von Klimawandel, Tourismus und Ukraine-Krieg – und warum diese Entwicklungen in der Arktis für Deutschland so relevant sind.
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