Ein Künstleroman erinnert an Berlin, als es noch Eldorado der Künstler und der Hausbesetzerszene war
Ein Gespräch mit Bettina Munk über ihr Werk, den Zufall und den kollektiv verfassten Roman Aufprall
Nicht 68er-Generation, nicht Punk, nicht Generation Golf: Die 80er Jahre waren eine Mischung aus vielem. Kennzeichnend war das Phänomen der Hausbesetzerszene mit einer bunten Klientel politisch Linker, freiheitssüchtiger Individualisten und verlorener Existenzen. Bettina Munk ist Co-Autorin eines kollektiv verfassten Romans über diese Zeit. Das vor kurzem im Hanser Verlag erschienene Buch mit dem Titel Aufprall erzählt von einem heute kaum mehr vorstellbaren, radikalen Lebensexperiment, das scheiterte, aber auch zurückwirkte auf das Leben und Denken von Menschen aus ganz unterschiedlichen Gesellschaftsbereichen. Bettina Munk ist nicht nur Autorin, sondern auch Künstlerin, Programmiererin animierter Zeichnungen und Kuratorin des Online-Archives Lines Fiction. Ein Gespräch über ein Online-Museum mit Originalen, Kunst in Ausnahmeräumen und kollektives Schreiben.
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